Greetings and a Question

topic posted Mon, February 27, 2006 - 1:42 PM by  Will
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Hello, my name is Will. After exploring a number of writer's tribes, I began perusing this tribe in earnest. I found so many knowledgeable people and helpful information, that I joined a couple weeks ago (thankyou Vera).

I would like to "write" a movie.
I became fascinated by a documentary I watched on PBS recently called "Killers in Eden".
There is so much rich material in this story; I thought to myself, "Wouldn't that make a great movie?"

I've never had a paid writing gig.
I've mostly written letters and personal journal stuff for myself.
I don't really know what I'm doing, but I'm not letting that stop me.
I'll just have to learn as I go.

You can see my current (1st revision, as of this posting) progress by clicking the link below.

I know I have a mountain of work ahead of me, and once I "get over the mountain", there may not be anything but personal satisfaction and learning credits.

Help, please; my question:
Is it okay to name names?

Before I get too far into refining the story/script I have a question or three.
The story I'm writing springs from real people, events and places ( www.eden.nsw.gov.au/ ; Just now looking at the map, I see it's not to far from Tasmania; how cool is that?!).
I suppose the story could stand on its own (all names and places changed), but I would really like to keep as many "real" names and places as I can, to lend that sense of authenticity; "Gee! A lot of this really happened!".

Having read posts in this tribe, I now understand that publishers and producers etc with their army of lawyers will not put anything out that will get "us" in trouble (?) .
But, I would like to be able to present a script that is not to fraught with such challenges.
I will not be naming individual people, but anyone familiar with the story/legend will be able to pick at least one real person out of my script.

So, again, asking my question a little differently:
The script will be presented as fiction; inspired by stories and true events from Eden, Australia.
Eden and its residents might take offense, for what ever reason; after all I have no business writing a story based on their history.
Is it okay to name names?

thanks,
Will

Here is the link to my movie idea; a work in progress: mymovie.ctekpro.com/
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Will
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    Re: Greetings and a Question

    Mon, February 27, 2006 - 2:05 PM
    This is tough, depeng on the presentation of the material is it sometimes ok to name names if theose people are public figures are there is some sort of documneted evidence of their involvement in the story you're trying to tell. If you are naming private citizens, you might be looking at a libel suit (of course unless you have evidence backing your claims.) My suggestion is to write your screenplay and hand it off to a lawyer before "shopping" it around. Movie and TV studios do not want to be sued for whavtever reason. I hope this helps.
  • Re: Greetings and a Question

    Mon, February 27, 2006 - 3:31 PM
    Hmmmm...I am not sure of the technical answer, and what George said is very helpful and wise, too. But, I am thinking - since it is fiction, and BASED on true events, maybe you should play it safe and just change the names, or you can still make them similar to the real names. Movies like "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" does that, it was based on a true story of a girl with a totally different name. I don't know, though, just a thought.
    • Thanks George and Heather.
      I don't see myself talking to a lawyer so, as much as I'd like to hang on to names, I've decided the story is strong enough to stand on its own. I've made up a fictitious town and renamed the people and the critter. As Heather suggested, I"m playing it safe. In the extraordinary event that someone wants to produce the movie I'll let them use their lawyers to decide if they want to go back to any original names. Revision two is up.
      Another ten or twenty revisions and I may try shopping it around.
      • Should I do as I'm told?

        Mon, March 20, 2006 - 11:09 PM
        To Whom Is A Writer Responsible?

        To thine own self be true? Part of being true to myself is being responsible for my actions; being ethical.

        I find myself confronted with a dilemma that I only vaguely anticipated, and not so soon, in the infancy of - “my movie idea”.

        Please don’t be put off by my presentational style; I’m an older man who, thru a sort of self-exile, has developed his own peculiar phrasings; sorry this is so long.

        I’m not making this up:

        About ten o’clock last night, I received an e-mail from a key figure, someone deeply involved in researching the history of the killer whales of Eden, Australia ; a central theme of my movie idea.

        I’m not trying to add intrigue to this post, but I don’t think it’s proper to identify this person or quote him/her directly. I have a great deal of respect for this person, who I will refer to as “KF” (as in Key Figure). The last thing I want to do is create, what might be, a further imposition – if it can be helped. I think this is traditional forum etiquette.

        KF, in effect, seemed to be telling me that I shouldn’t be fooling around with a historical drama that I didn’t understand; incorporating a story that was already in development as a feature film (news to me – no further details).

        I didn’t recognize who the sender was. I found the tone of the e-mail to be insulting, arrogant, elitist, and even a bit juvenile. What right did this person have to tell me what I may or may not write about?

        I carefully “composed myself” in an e-mail reply; I may have miss-read their tone? I noticed the sender’s address contained an Australian web domain, so I tried to temper my response to someone who might be very sensitive to their native history.

        I thanked them for reading my script (secretly doubting they had) and acknowledged that my understanding of the history was thin and for that matter so was my writing ability (pointing out that I had never written a script before).

        About one-thirty this morning; feeling flustered and unable to get into a creative mood, I was on the verge of turning in, when I received a second mail from KF.

        KF began with an apology for bluntness. They then offered some insight to their frustration; pointing out previous “Hollywood” attempts and how detrimental they had been to Eden and the chances of the story being successfully made into a quality film. Then KF went on to suggest that my ‘Hollywood treatment” trivializes the “real” story. KF also was kind enough to let me know their script even contains some elements somewhat similar to mine; coincidentally.

        KF ended the e-mail by stating that he/she didn’t want to discourage me from being “creative”, but they suggested I leave this story alone.

        I love this story of the orcas working with the whalers in early Australian history ( www.begavalley.nsw.gov.au/Cultu...ge.htm ). I think we all enjoy a bit of irony; it is the work of people like KF that led me to this history. Why is it necessary for me to be at odds with someone I hold in such high esteem?

        I’ve spent the better part of today in reproach; am I wrong to want to give my project completion? Is there something unethical about my movie idea?

        The thought of divorcing my story completely from its orca /man center, seems too much to ask. But, I don’t want to do anything that might even remotely interfere with KF’s work. So, I thought of shelving the movie idea and just going for a novel.

        I did more research today. I confirmed, via the e-mail address properties, that the e-mail domain is one that KF has an association with. I’m fairly convinced this is not an e-mail hoax. Further research led to discoveries that made me feel truly inadequate, as a human being, let alone a writer of such a tale. No specifics here, but I discovered that KF is nothing short of brilliant; an accomplished inventor, scientist (and so much more); in addition to their fine historical documentation of this story; dedicating many years to this subject.

        I found nothing to diminish my respect for KF, other than the insulting manner in which I’ve been treated (love that irony). But, by my own admission, this insult is just as inconsequential as I am (I am nothing.).

        One of the things I’ve learned about myself, after 56 years on this blue planet, is that I don’t like people telling me what to do; what I can or can’t do (It’s a painful character flaw.).

        This is my baby; I know it’s ugly, but there’s something (only a parent would understand) that’s beautiful to me. I’ve stayed up nights, sometimes all night long, nursing it thru some though times; shedding more than one tear when it smiled back at me. Maybe I imagine, like most parents, this child growing into a fine respectable presence. Who is KF to deny a parent’s dream for their child? The cold cruel world will have its turn at that, soon enough (maybe a year or two).

        Having “journaled” this out; I see nothing ethically wrong with pursuing my movie idea. I need not worry about my “little baby” posing any threat to KF’s far more realistic dreams. And neither should KF.


        In the mid-seventies, Paul McCartney sang:
        “You'd think that people would've had enough of silly love songs
        But I look around me and I see it isn't so
        Some people want to fill the world with silly love songs
        And what's wrong with that?
        I'd like to know”

        Well, my initial response to his song, way back then, was, “OH NO! Not another one of these stupid love songs!!” (yes, really)

        Well, I and the world survived “Silly Love Songs”; that one and countless others since.

        I’m sorry that KF is offended by my “silly little script”. With respect and best wishes, I accept their right to rant. The people of Eden, the orcas and KF with the pending feature film, have all survived such trivial indignities from the past and I have no doubt they will survive my silly love song; and countless more “odes” in the future.

        “Love doesn't come in a minute
        Sometimes it doesn't come at all
        I only know that when I'm in it
        It isn't silly, no, it isn't silly
        Love isn't silly at all”


        If you’ve made it thru this far, you deserve the right to comment; am I right; wrong; comments??

        (I’ve just made a hasty update to my movie idea web page; latest revision #3. It was not quite ready (it’s such a mess), but . . . I have made changes to the names, as was promised previously in this thread.)
        • Re: Should I do as I'm told?

          Tue, March 21, 2006 - 7:05 AM
          Yikes! I don't know what I would do...I think that you should still work on it because you're enjoying it. You never know what you'll end up with. Ya gotta care for the baby!
      • One last thought, most screen writers have a hiacrhy system and demand that you channel your resourses thought a course on screen writing . . . or oyu'll never get in the door. . . Or so I've heard, that is, in Hollywood. . . then again I'm not too sure of other flim types seeing as there are no rules. . . but the way you are talking sounds as if your going into the L.A. concept of frame there. Most know my stand point on this issue, but looking into the course aspect.

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